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Why Do We Need Secular Codependency Meetings?

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Like a lot of people, I first learned about codependency from a therapist who recognized the signs. After years of desperate attempts to please my abusive spouse I was distraught, lost, and hopeless. At the end of my rope, I knew that I needed help and found it in an intensive outpatient therapy program, 5 nights a week for a month. Each day they introduced a new subject to provide us with the skills and knowledge we needed to recover along with discussion and long group therapy sessions. One day, they handed us a survey with 20 questions and gave us time to fill it out. To my surprise, I answered affirmatively to 18 out of the 20 questions. I got a great score and learned one of the most important lessons of my life: codependency is a core problem for me. Just about everything I’d heard up to that point described aspects of problems I’d had, being sensitive, regular depressive episodes, social anxiety, panic attacks and the like, but when I read about codependency for the first time, it was like being seen for the first time. And so my journey had begun. I found a local CoDA group and dove in, reading everything Melody Beattie ever wrote, becoming an active member of my local meeting, and beginning to work the program. I read the CoDA Blue Book and showed up every week, eventually leading the meeting for several half year stints. I learned a lot about boundaries, about improving relationships, and about the patterns, but there was a problem.

Throughout it all, I was biting my tongue; the religious aspects of CoDA, the regular mention of God and God’s Will and the concept of a Higher Power, were difficult for me to swallow. I tried for years, having many, many heartfelt conversations with friends and fellow codependents, but I never made it past step 2 and couldn’t fathom ever doing step 3. I was raised as a Christian but had decided it wasn’t my answer to the questions of the universe when I became an adult. I am an atheist, not in the sense that I don’t believe there is a God, but in the sense that I reject traditional concepts of God. In my view, I’ll never know if there is a God or not. It’s not an important question to me. God and his/her will are not how I explain the events in my life. I’m an engineer, a scientist, and a humanist. To me, a higher power is equivalent to an imaginary friend, a placebo. Imaginary things can be useful; concepts can be powerful and placebos can have a measurable effect on how people feel. Obviously, the mind is capable of wonderous things, but for me it’s not real and therefore can’t be something I rely on. It’s just not how my mind works.

For a long time, I was doing what a lot of people in my position do. We take what we need and leave the rest. I listened intently to shares. I shared myself and I kept my concerns about the religious aspects private or shared them only with close friends. Locally, this was a workable solution for me, but then the pandemic came and suddenly everything changed. My meetings weren’t local anymore. They had people from all over the country and the world. I felt that the meetings had become more religious in tone and in the character of the shares. The God stuff became more and more of an issue for me and I found that I no longer felt safe sharing my feelings in meetings. I was struggling more and more with the religious aspects, finding that it was taking up more of my mind than my work on codependency itself! I was getting upset and found myself debating whether I needed to quit CoDA, which was my only real source of support in this world. It was a wrenching situation.

So, I naturally did what you do when you don’t know the answer; I googled.  I searched for other codependents like me. But what I found shocked me; no matter the search term I entered, I found nothing. Nothing! There were almost no search results at all and certainly zero meaningful resources. Stunned, I went looking for secular AA groups and was very happy to find not only active groups but bountiful literature and many alternate versions of the traditional 12 steps. And then one day, I found a book that changed my perspective on what was possible, Jeffrey Munn’s book “Staying Sober without God”. Many people have made versions of the steps. Often they trim around the edges, changing a word here or there to soften the language, but Munn went all the way, full blown rewriting. There are times in life when it feels as if we are waiting for someone to give us permission to do something, like we aren’t allowed. We need to learn that we ourselves contain a power that others possess by seeing them do something and seeing that we are the same. This was my moment. I said, “Aha! I can do it too!” There wasn’t a secular CoDA, just like there hadn’t been a book like his before. He had to make it and so did I.

I wanted a safe space where it would be acceptable to speak our honest truth, whether we believed in a higher power or not. For years, I had been told by well-intentioned friends and fellow codependents that I needed to define a Higher Power of my own understanding and I seriously did try, but I knew all along it was never going to work. Every time I heard the 12 promises read, I dreamt that one day they’d come true for me, but I feared the day would never come because I could never work the CoDA steps. I did think that I could work Munn’s steps but also knew that they would never fly in a CoDA meeting. I decided to see if I could find people to form a study meeting to read Munn’s steps and work them together. I brought it up in a meeting and it went over like a lead balloon which was horrifying but I did meet people and through them I found the courage to start.

But why does there need to be secular CoDA? Many people object. They say that we are welcome at CoDA meetings to believe in a “God or Higher Power of our own understanding”. I feel this is a false choice; I still have to choose a God or a Higher Power. None is not an option. The choice is presented as if I could choose anything I like, but there are restrictions. A Higher Power is not an inert thing. It is a being with intent, power, and an interest in my personal life. These characteristics are not optional; they’re foundational. If I don’t believe that a higher power exists that is looking out for my best interest, the program loses all it’s power. Even dutiful members of CoDA or any 12 step group for that matter will regularly say “The program isn’t for everybody”. I can accept that. It’s not for me. To me, that means there must be somewhere else to go. When I was at the end of my CoDA journey, I was fraught, distressed at having to let go of a program that had been so helpful, but that had turned toxic. It was like losing a relationship, like going through codependent withdrawal. I felt I had nowhere to go, but my experience had taught me that I wasn’t alone. I needed to build the place to go and dedicated myself to the work of making sure there would always be a place for someone like me to go when they find themselves at the end of their rope.

There needs to be secular codependency support because there are secular codependents. There are those who have been traumatized by religion itself who could not accept more religion as the answer to their problems. There are humanists, people who believe that humans can solve human problems. There are scientists who see the world through the lens of science, like me. We can learn so much when we open our minds to all that we have learned since the inception of CoDA, about the sources and causes of our common suffering. Together, in the time since secular codependency support began, we have outlined a new program. We don’t require labels. We don’t shame ourselves. We understand that self-love and self-compassion are the keys to a better life as a codependent. We have learned that codependency is not a disease, not a set of character defects to be eliminated. We learned that when we feel free to express ourselves as we truly feel amongst peers who have similarly open minds, we flourish. In secular codependency, we take personal responsibility for our recovery. We follow a conscious process of letting go of that which we don’t control while we focus our energy on the things we do control. I personally learned that I’m not alone. There are loads of us and for this lesson I am eternally grateful. Nothing I’ve learned has been quite so powerful.

17 Comment on this post

    1. Thank you! I have been on the same journey, to find a non-theistic CoDependency discussion. At last. So glad you all thought outside the box!

  1. I appreciate this so much! I’m new to CoDa and I’ve noticed myself cringing sometimes during the mention of God.

    Can your higher power be yourself?

    1. I’ve heard some people say it could be your higher self or authentic self. It’s up to you in the journey. If it makes sense to you, then it can work. I personally don’t have a higher power and that works for me. Everybody has to come to their own conclusion.

  2. I just found your website after googling secular coda meetings. I just can’t deal with all the god talk in traditional meetings. I really like the practical 12 steps. I’m looking forward to attending a meeting soon. Which time zone is your meeting calendar?

  3. I found CODA through my therapist as the pandemic was hitting. Yes, I did not feel comfortable with the third step and moving forward. Mainly because evangelical protestantism has been a big part of my codependency. Especially during times when I have not been in a codependent human relationship. Overinvestment in a church as a volunteer to offset the guilt and shame of not believing fully or being “fully alive” in Christ has been a form of trying to control god’s lack of interest in me.
    I had not found any source of humanist codependent support when I first started. Today, out of curiosity, I decided to do another search and here I found this group!
    I’m looking forward to attending a meeting soon.

  4. I’m currently doing a “90 in 90” in CoDA after a 25+ year hiatus from the fellowship. For about 7 years in the late 1980s through the mid-90s I became increasingly involved in the organization. In my home meeting I performed every volunteer position available — group facilitator, literature person, treasurer, and a stint as coffee maker and cleanup. Grin.

    Towards the end, I held several jobs on the NJ State service committee including maintaining the regional meeting directory, quarterly newsletter editor, member at large on the State Board, and lastly, again, Treasurer for NJ, for about 18 months.

    As a very good codependent then, I overworked myself to serve the members of the original NJ CoDA fellowship. The straw that broke my back was the need to issue a statewide NJ Service Council statement that the use of the Lord’s Prayer in 1 or 2 meetings, at that time, was “against the best interests of all codependents.”

    There was intense discussion at the State level about this concept that ultimately went into the final Statement. Both sadly, and personally scary for me, the vote taken was not unanimous, gaining only somewhat more than a bare majority.

    For the gap of 2-1/2 decades, I did intermittent work with several, highly qualified therapists, two of which were psychiatrists. I spoke often with my wonderful wife of 45+ years about my recovery. I’m a lapsed (I’ve heard “collapsed,” which I like better….chuckle) Christian Methodist. As my best friend, my wife, who comes from a loving, educated Jewish family, labelled herself “Jewish in culture, not in religion.”

    She was essentially a deist in the early years of our acquaintance. Over the decades of our lovely marriage, I think through my gut sharing of the abuses in my past, she has moved more towards agnostic.

    My mom and pop were very abusive. The title reads, but it’s a 1,000 page book/tome, that they both tried to kill me in separate incidents, when I was a teen.

    My dad was big on authoritarian abuse as he could perhaps be called “a soldier of fortune.” He served on a number of active battlefields: WWI in France in the trenches, a stint in Siberia near the end of that war, with MacArthur in the Philippines between the two big wars, and then on US ships on the North Atlantic, on convoy duty, before the outbreak of WWII.

    He had the physical and mental scars to prove it. He’s interred at the Arlington National Cemetery adjacent to DC.

    On the other hand, mom was a big religious abuser. Both my parents never made it past middle school. Mother thought the only place I could learn morals was at church. She might also have worried about my immortal soul, in which I don’t believe. She threatened me with family abandonment, before I was 12, if I did not continue to go to Sunday School, which I had come to feel didn’t teach much that was applicable to my home life.

    Around the age of 12, I finally heard the word “atheist.” Young reasoning told me if one didn’t believe in god, then I didn’t need to go to Sunday School, or accompany her to church. To my surprise, she stopped threatening and physical abusing me, which she had done frequently before. Perhaps I had finally grown too tall and too wide, and she longer felt safe in physically assaulting and battering me.

    In my 60s now, I’m foundationally comfortable being a “theoretical agnostic and practicing atheist.” Although there are many simple and great arguments for the non-existence of the godhead, and I lean that way, there is no clear steps to prove that some kind of (unknowable? purposeful?) god may exist in a small, curled up extra dimension, who reveals itself on occasion to this or that person. I no longer think of or worry about that often.

    I am a big believer in reason, science and the scientific method. I was willingly and enthusiastically trained as a Structural Engineer up through the Masters level at M.I.T. At one point I earned a Professional Engineering License in NJ, for which I paid and re-upped on for many years, and which had legal implications if/when I used my stamp or seal on construction drawing and/or job specifications,

    Time for me, now or in the near future, to attend one or more of your secular CoDA meetings. I believe I might just find a match in my recovery and spiritual, neural net growth. Grin.

  5. You’ve taken this group soooo far since the beginning days when it was just the two of us!! This is awesome and all your work has paid off!

  6. Matt, thank you for starting this secular CODA group, I am 100% on board with everything you wrote above. Looking forward to becoming a part of this movement!

    BEL

  7. I’m so glad to share your perspective. I have just discovered code pendency and following great excitement towards CODA experienced plummeting expectations once I realised it was about god or a higher power. The ultimate code pendency? I wonder. I’m sure the steps are helpful. But this was niggling at me enough to put me right off. Now I’m here on this website and happy to be reading this and to have recovered the desire to keep learning about how I can help myself and my partner.. thank you!

  8. Dear Matt,
    I am so excited to join in on this Sunday’s September 2023 AHA meeting, my first agnostic coda meeting. Thank you for starting this group. I hope I can finally find my clan here.

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